UNITED NATIONS, N.Y., December 10.-The Bengali
secessionists' aim on East Pakistan is a "secular,
democratic state" seeking good relations with all the
countries in the area including China, according to Abu
Sayeed Chowdhury, the leader of a delegation seeking to
state the movement's case at the United Nations.

Mr. Chowdhury said in an interview here today:

"The government of Bangla Desh alone can speak for our
people; no other government can do so, not even India,
because our people will accept nothing short of
independence."

Mr. Chowdhury, a small, solid man with black hair neatly
combed back from his forehead, is busily but
unobtrusively moving around the carpeted corridors of
the United Nations Headquarters, explaining the cause of
Bangla Desh, or Bengal Nation, in an insistent, low
voice to delegates.

Mr. Chowdhury is convinced that a majority of the worlds
governments will decide to recognize Bangla Desh, even
though most of them-104 of 131 United Nations members-
voted in the General Assembly Tuesday night for a
resolution that was supported by Pakistan and opposed by
India.

Bangla Desh has been recognized by India and Bhutan. But
the Indian delegate, Samar Sen, today said that India
would not negotiate a cease-fire unless a representative
of Bangla Desh was present.

He pointed out that the Assembly has not pronounced
itself for or against Bangla Desh but merely had called
for a cease-fire, for withdrawal of Indian and Pakistani
armed forces and for restoration of order "in accordance
with the purposes and the principles of the charter of
the United Nations."

The most basic principles of the United Nations Charter
is self-determination, and this is what is involved in
the creation of Bangla Desh," Mr. Chowdhury said. He
added:

"We are a separate people, a different ethnic group with
different language and customs, and we have been ruled
by people a thousand miles away. This is the classic
definition of a colony.

POINT OF NO RETURN

"We were not secessionists. All we wanted was a
constitutional amendment providing for a large degree of
autonomy within the federation. We won 167 out of 169
seats. Then came the West Pakistani soldiers and they
brought murder, loot and rape. Now we have reached the
point of no return."

Mr. Justice Chowdhury, as friendly delegates address
him, is no revolutionary and not a politician.

He was the senior judge on the Dacca High Court, the
highest court in East Pakistan, until early this year.
He also was president of the University of Dacca.
He represented Pakistan on the United Nations Commission
on Human Rights, and it is by way of that commission
that he has been plunged into politics and has become
Bangla Desh's chief representative abroad with offices
in London, Washington, Stockholm and New Delhi and now
in New York.

As he tells it, he traveled to Geneva from Dacca in
February to take part in a meeting of the commission. He
then went to London, where his 18-year-old son is
attending college.

"It was in London that I learned what had happened at my
university in late March. The soldiers killed my
students, raped the girl students and a mass grave was
dug up at one of my dormitories," he said.

Mr. Chowdhury broke with the Pakistani Government.
stayed in London and became the representative of the
Bengalis' Awami League, although he had never before
belonged to a political party.

PROBLEM OVER SECESSION

Sheik Mujibur Rahman, the head of the Awami League, is
the President of Bangla Desh, but he is in prison in
West Pakistan. Since forming a government, the league
has broadened its base to admit representatives of four
other parties, one agrarian, one Communist, and two
Middle-class, Indian sources here said today.

One of Mr. Chowdhury's greatest problems at the United
Nations is to convince representatives of countries with
active minorities that Bangla Desh does not constitute a
precedent for secession or for dividing a country along
ethnic lines.

Rumania, which has an active Hungarian minority in
Transylvania, did not vote with the rest of the Soviet
bloc against the Assembly resolution, but with the
majority for the resolution that was supported by
Pakistan.

Cyprus, with its Turkish and Greek populations, also
voted with Pakistan and its delegate explained to the
Assembly after the vote that it had done so in spite of
its traditionally excellent relations with India.

Ethiopia, which is faced with a rebellion in Eritrea,
also voted for the pro-Pakistani resolution,